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D8/N8
May 22, 2015 14:58:38 GMT
Post by Raven on May 22, 2015 14:58:38 GMT
Alright, let's hash this out.
Knowns: MSU: masoner, can only hurt us via suggestion RP: Vig, proven K-ness: claims power copier.
Speculations: MSU: still nothing new, no powers RP: Claims werewolf, not in control of his actions. K-ness: potential doubler/double voter.
Now, the day was young and K-ness works later-ish I think. doubler is a traditionally day power. If we rushed it right, then he was not able to double RP. That means he has to be a double voter. I am inclined to kill K and silence MSU and try to vote off RP tomorrow due to PGO/werewolf badassery considerations. This scenario is predicated on K-ness being the doubler and not a power copier. We know he is a double voter based on the Darq lynch. |
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D8/N8
May 22, 2015 15:00:11 GMT
Post by Raven on May 22, 2015 15:00:11 GMT
Sorry, I'm getting way intense. Any other scenarios you guys have? Let's hear them. We need all the info we can get. |
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D8/N8
May 22, 2015 15:02:51 GMT
Post by troybinotrol on May 22, 2015 15:02:51 GMT
On RP, Pretty sure it's a smoke screen.
Either way we can't control it.
It may be best to kill K-Ness first. (Double voter is more dangerous to our day phase especially if we guess wrong with RP's target)
The day then stalls if we guess wrong on RP and if we guess right we just lynch RP. (game over we win)
If we guess wrong (one of us will be dead), one kills RP and the other does something depending on who is alive.
next day still stalls (if RP does kill)
Last mafia member kills MSU at night. (That's the worst case scenario barring some unforseen issue.
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D8/N8
May 22, 2015 15:06:06 GMT
Post by troybinotrol on May 22, 2015 15:06:06 GMT
And if it wasn't clear, that team win was a shoutout to adam, Darq, and JRS4. Win or lose, we did well. Down to the wire and we got three of the four things we needed for the night.
And I just realized something. K-ness is the doubler and if he doesn't double, he is a double-voter. That whole power copy was a smokescreen. Think about it. Ignatz should have been the doubler but RP was doubled last night. I doubt Capt did it because he was locked in a dual with someone. Afrcngy JKed Grinner likely.
You might be right, he was JK'ed the night Ignatz died right? |
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D8/N8
May 22, 2015 15:07:59 GMT
Post by troybinotrol on May 22, 2015 15:07:59 GMT
Most doublers I've seen are a night action. But I can see that being problematic with a doubler that always does it at the end of the day.
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D8/N8
May 22, 2015 15:14:25 GMT
Post by Raven on May 22, 2015 15:14:25 GMT
Yes, K was JKed the night Ignatz died.
Most doublers I've seen are a day action due to timing. For example. I'm the doubler. I get MDed. Then all actions have to be in and tallied before the mod can go back to the person who ends up doubled and ask them to pick a second target. It creates a potential vicious circle of targeting. If it's a day action, then the mod can inform the person who is doubled that they have a second night action right from the getgo instead of waiting.
Now, I wouldn't put it past K-ness to have a blind power copy, but then he should have tried to make a kill the night Darq got busted. I think he doubles someone and performs the action/gets the results. |
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D8/N8
May 22, 2015 15:15:02 GMT
via mobile
Post by taror on May 22, 2015 15:15:02 GMT
And extra lucky if even one of us makes it through the next day phase. Well, here's the rub. We are down to six players. We kill one tonight and silence another. RP kills one or two of us tonight and then it's either two of us during the day tomorrow to vote out one guy or one on one and we lose if RP can kill two of us tonight.
Conversely, if we let Grinner off the hook and he was willing to vote for me. You guys don't vote and things stall. Then we have the same scenario as above only with one more townie alive. That screws us.
We needed to lynch Grinner and he will turn out to be town. That means at a minimum you and I are painted as scum.
If RP kills somebody the numbers are at 4, three is threshold. One silenced. If we all live (the chances are so slim, it may as well be zilch), we win. If we only lose one, we can keep the day rolling without a vote or maybe convince somebody that MSU is scum. After all, he did say grinner was mafia. And he was wrong. I we lose two, that means the numbers are at 3, one silence. One of us, one of them. We stall out again. Make a kill. 1v1. Then we see who is online first and can vote faster. Intense. |
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D8/N8
May 22, 2015 15:18:47 GMT
Post by Raven on May 22, 2015 15:18:47 GMT
So:
IR: kill K-ness kontrol: silence MSU Linkor: doctor IR
Grinner autopsied as town which means Linkor and I are prime suspects. I hope RP will still be sore about Hybridity and try to kill me. I also think MSU's action is a day action so it can't be MDed. It just doesn't activate until nightfall same as doubling. The purpose of both being day action submissions is to grant the entire night phase for using the power. So if he didn't pick a target (which would have been RP), then he likely can't influence actions. kontrol, if you're still masoned with him I say keep up the town charade. RP probably will hold out hope of you being town and in case I'm wrong, we can't give them any ammo. |
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D8/N8
May 22, 2015 15:19:16 GMT
via mobile
Post by taror on May 22, 2015 15:19:16 GMT
Also meant to say to the bold: bussiness as usual for this sucker.
I don't think RP Is lying. The doubler probably wouldn't risk doubling RP if he is a loose cannon. RP would think that, but then it doesn't make sense for him to say it at all. He could be a PGO keeping the doubler from doubling him and dying? It's complicated.
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D8/N8
May 22, 2015 15:20:33 GMT
Post by Raven on May 22, 2015 15:20:33 GMT
Ideal scenario here is that we kill K-ness, down to 5 players. silence MSU, down to 4 active. RP kills one or hopefully none of us, 3 or 4 active players with us having majority to vote out RP and then it really is academic from there with MSU being the only townie left.
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D8/N8
May 22, 2015 15:25:05 GMT
via mobile
Post by taror on May 22, 2015 15:25:05 GMT
Leaving RP alive is a risky move when we could silence K-ness instead. That eliminates the double voter, and if we kill RP tonight whoever he chooses to double won't matter later. He could double MSU, but that is pointless. He could double one of us, but that would be dumb. If Kontrol dies we will want K-ness dead though.
Kill RP now, kill K-ness tomorrow? We silence K-ness tonight, but I am betting we run out of luck and Kontrol dies tonight from RP's (theoretically) uncontrolled kill. Tomorrow we kill K-ness, turn around and Lynch MSU.
I never bet on my luck being good, hence expecting kontrols death:(
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D8/N8
May 22, 2015 15:26:31 GMT
via mobile
Post by taror on May 22, 2015 15:26:31 GMT
When somebody is silenced does it lower the lynch threshold?
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D8/N8
May 22, 2015 15:31:10 GMT
Post by Raven on May 22, 2015 15:31:10 GMT
When somebody is silenced does it lower the lynch threshold? Yes. The lynch numbers are based on all active players. Active in this case means able to post in the game thread. Take a look at yesterday's morning write-up. 7 players remained. But it said with 6 active players, 4 is majority. |
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D8/N8
May 22, 2015 15:41:45 GMT
via mobile
Post by taror on May 22, 2015 15:41:45 GMT
Alright, let's do this.
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D8/N8
May 22, 2015 15:44:18 GMT
Post by troybinotrol on May 22, 2015 15:44:18 GMT
My main concern is not having to ability to target K-Ness again. I know a lot of mods won't allow you to silence the same person 2 days in a row.
We'd need to get clarification from Magnito.
Can I silence the same person twice in a row?
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